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		<title>By: rose</title>
		<link>http://undergrounddetroit.com/2011/10/the-sugar-house-opens-a-look-inside-the-first-day/#comment-8075</link>
		<dc:creator>rose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Nov 2011 00:08:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My husband and I wanted a night out, we wanted something different, special, and drove around until we spotted a diamond in the rough, the sugar house in Corktown Detroit.  What caught my eye was a chandalier , shinning through old fashioned window panes, and knew this was what we were looking for.  This place is not your  run of the mill corner bar, it has everthing from mood lighting , to upscale drinks and bartenders who are dressed  in period clothing, dress shirt with rolled up sleeves, vest, and arm garter,throw back to 1920&#039; or 1930&#039;. We were able to sit down and have a relaxing night out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My husband and I wanted a night out, we wanted something different, special, and drove around until we spotted a diamond in the rough, the sugar house in Corktown Detroit.  What caught my eye was a chandalier , shinning through old fashioned window panes, and knew this was what we were looking for.  This place is not your  run of the mill corner bar, it has everthing from mood lighting , to upscale drinks and bartenders who are dressed  in period clothing, dress shirt with rolled up sleeves, vest, and arm garter,throw back to 1920&#8242; or 1930&#8242;. We were able to sit down and have a relaxing night out.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd Abrams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd Abrams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Nov 2011 18:20:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I’m pretty sure I saw Dave kick a three-legged puppy once but only after he had stolen two dollars from an orphan. 

Not sure why you’re fixated on the brand names of the base liquors. Did you order a drink made with one of these brands and not like it? Premium liquor may not be the right base for a cocktail for multiple reasons: When mixed with homemade syrups and bitters, much of the nuance will be lost anyway. Also, If there is aggressive flavor in the base, it could fuck up the balance of the drink. Finally, how many people are going to order a $13 cocktail no matter how good it is?

At any rate, these are not “well” liquors at all. Most bars carry well booze because they (and the majority of their clientele) could care less about craft cocktails. The consumer has to decide whether they want pay more for a premium brand and decrease the chance that their drink is going to suck. Beefeater and Old Grandad are the chosen base liquors for specific cocktail recipes to maximize flavor and minimize cost. Dave isn’t going to serve a cocktail that he hasn’t tested extensively or one that he wouldn’t drink himself. 

I do understand how you might have perceived a surly attitude. Dave is a serious dude when he’s minding something. And there is a lot to mind when your business is in its first couple of weeks of opening. I don’t want to speak for Dave but I will. At this point, making sure a drink is perfect is more important than chatting up the customers. If having a conversation with the bartender is the most important element of your experience, I suggest visiting early in the evening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m pretty sure I saw Dave kick a three-legged puppy once but only after he had stolen two dollars from an orphan. </p>
<p>Not sure why you’re fixated on the brand names of the base liquors. Did you order a drink made with one of these brands and not like it? Premium liquor may not be the right base for a cocktail for multiple reasons: When mixed with homemade syrups and bitters, much of the nuance will be lost anyway. Also, If there is aggressive flavor in the base, it could fuck up the balance of the drink. Finally, how many people are going to order a $13 cocktail no matter how good it is?</p>
<p>At any rate, these are not “well” liquors at all. Most bars carry well booze because they (and the majority of their clientele) could care less about craft cocktails. The consumer has to decide whether they want pay more for a premium brand and decrease the chance that their drink is going to suck. Beefeater and Old Grandad are the chosen base liquors for specific cocktail recipes to maximize flavor and minimize cost. Dave isn’t going to serve a cocktail that he hasn’t tested extensively or one that he wouldn’t drink himself. </p>
<p>I do understand how you might have perceived a surly attitude. Dave is a serious dude when he’s minding something. And there is a lot to mind when your business is in its first couple of weeks of opening. I don’t want to speak for Dave but I will. At this point, making sure a drink is perfect is more important than chatting up the customers. If having a conversation with the bartender is the most important element of your experience, I suggest visiting early in the evening.</p>
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		<title>By: Evan Hansen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evan Hansen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2011 20:08:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I’m curious what day you went in. The first week seemed pretty hectic, and while I don’t know that I’ve personally witnessed Dave being “surly,” I definitely saw him and his co-bartender Chuck rushed and focused on just getting drinks out.  I can appreciate how that might seem cold to folks.

As you probably know, the business JUST opened a few weeks ago. I was just there this weekend, and there have been a ton of changes that you may find to your liking:

1) The bar just instituted rules last week to minimize the number of patrons inside so it’s a little more convivial and a little less crazed.

2) They’ve added a third regular bartender as well as tables and a waitperson. So things are speedier, and with the third bartender handling most of the table drinks, the two bartenders handling the bar seem to me to be much less rushed.

3) He’s been rotating some of his well booze as supply has opened up. Not sure what he’s using right now, but he’s been using Four Roses for bourbon among other things.

Obviously, I know Dave personally, but I&#039;d like to think that I can be objective when it comes to drinks and eating/drinking out.  It is, of course, one of my primary hobbies.  :-)  Anyhow, you might want to check it out again now that he’s had a chance to see what the crowd is like and get the day to day operations down a bit more. I think you’d find it more to your taste.

As far as Beefeater, we’ll have to agree to disagree there. I’ve got a pretty substantial home bar and have tasted a fair amount of gin. I have to say that I rather like Beefeater for quite a few gin drinks. It’s got a little flavor and some aromatics to it but not so much flavor as Tanqueray and not so much floral nose as Plymouth. The former can be kind of off-putting in an Aviation, and the latter can clash with, say, a Negroni. Of course, I might use occasionally use Tanqueray or Plymouth at home for a Martini, but Beefeater is my “house gin” because it&#039;s versatile. I think it’s legit gin, and it’s a value to boot. (For the sake of having a reference point, my house bourbon is Buffalo Trace, house rye is Rittenhouse 100 when I can grab it and Wild Turkey when I can’t, and house tequila is El Jimador.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m curious what day you went in. The first week seemed pretty hectic, and while I don’t know that I’ve personally witnessed Dave being “surly,” I definitely saw him and his co-bartender Chuck rushed and focused on just getting drinks out.  I can appreciate how that might seem cold to folks.</p>
<p>As you probably know, the business JUST opened a few weeks ago. I was just there this weekend, and there have been a ton of changes that you may find to your liking:</p>
<p>1) The bar just instituted rules last week to minimize the number of patrons inside so it’s a little more convivial and a little less crazed.</p>
<p>2) They’ve added a third regular bartender as well as tables and a waitperson. So things are speedier, and with the third bartender handling most of the table drinks, the two bartenders handling the bar seem to me to be much less rushed.</p>
<p>3) He’s been rotating some of his well booze as supply has opened up. Not sure what he’s using right now, but he’s been using Four Roses for bourbon among other things.</p>
<p>Obviously, I know Dave personally, but I&#8217;d like to think that I can be objective when it comes to drinks and eating/drinking out.  It is, of course, one of my primary hobbies.  <img src='/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />   Anyhow, you might want to check it out again now that he’s had a chance to see what the crowd is like and get the day to day operations down a bit more. I think you’d find it more to your taste.</p>
<p>As far as Beefeater, we’ll have to agree to disagree there. I’ve got a pretty substantial home bar and have tasted a fair amount of gin. I have to say that I rather like Beefeater for quite a few gin drinks. It’s got a little flavor and some aromatics to it but not so much flavor as Tanqueray and not so much floral nose as Plymouth. The former can be kind of off-putting in an Aviation, and the latter can clash with, say, a Negroni. Of course, I might use occasionally use Tanqueray or Plymouth at home for a Martini, but Beefeater is my “house gin” because it&#8217;s versatile. I think it’s legit gin, and it’s a value to boot. (For the sake of having a reference point, my house bourbon is Buffalo Trace, house rye is Rittenhouse 100 when I can grab it and Wild Turkey when I can’t, and house tequila is El Jimador.)</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2011 19:51:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Meant &quot;surly&quot;, not &quot;surely&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meant &#8220;surly&#8221;, not &#8220;surely&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2011 19:50:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave&#039;s surely, unappreciative attitude towards me and all the other customers that I witnessed has repelled me from ever returning. Some of the choices of well liquors took me aback: are Old Granddad and Beefeater really acceptable for a &quot;craft cocktail&quot; bar? Perhaps; a gregarious bartender could explain as much to an interested customer inclined to support his business. Too bad that Sugar House seems to lack that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave&#8217;s surely, unappreciative attitude towards me and all the other customers that I witnessed has repelled me from ever returning. Some of the choices of well liquors took me aback: are Old Granddad and Beefeater really acceptable for a &#8220;craft cocktail&#8221; bar? Perhaps; a gregarious bartender could explain as much to an interested customer inclined to support his business. Too bad that Sugar House seems to lack that.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Schrodt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Schrodt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Oct 2011 13:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Went to Sugar House on Friday after the Wings game. The place was crowded about 2 deep at the bar. Took a while to get our drinks but it was well worth it. Fantastic drinks and energy in the place. The bar tenders were working their asses off as the drinks are more complex than a gin and tonic. Will certainly go back, need to try the rest of the drinks. Had a Gin Basil Smash, who would have thought basil in a drink.
Bill</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Went to Sugar House on Friday after the Wings game. The place was crowded about 2 deep at the bar. Took a while to get our drinks but it was well worth it. Fantastic drinks and energy in the place. The bar tenders were working their asses off as the drinks are more complex than a gin and tonic. Will certainly go back, need to try the rest of the drinks. Had a Gin Basil Smash, who would have thought basil in a drink.<br />
Bill</p>
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		<title>By: More Opening Day Shots&#8230; &#124; The Sugar House Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>More Opening Day Shots&#8230; &#124; The Sugar House Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Oct 2011 21:41:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Sords</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sords</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Oct 2011 14:44:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fantastic article, and even better photographs.  You managed to capture the amazing spirit of that night perfectly in both mediums.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fantastic article, and even better photographs.  You managed to capture the amazing spirit of that night perfectly in both mediums.</p>
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